PHW Gardening Minutes
November 13, 2016
I. Approval of Minutes (approved); Treasurer’s Report (we have $650 in the bank). Deborah negotiated a better fee from our speaker. Our dues are $50 per year, May-May.
In attendance: Deborah Hunter Martiele Shroder Kim Richardson Bonnie Helgut Jeannie Gillis Judy Grey Conway Hubbard Melissa Stang Sophie Joel Courtney Downs Carollee Vernon Janet Vogler
II. Speaker: Kacey Clouse (new owner) and Hailey Beagle (event coordinator) of GardenHood, Atlanta (95 Bradley St NE, Grant Park area, gardenhoodatlanta.com). Kacey handed out “Winterizing Your Garden.” In the South, 2 things to remember about gardens in winter: 1) rapid and dramatic temperature shifts are a serious challenge to gardens, and 2) freezing temps can insulate and protect plants if they’re hydrated but wreak havoc if they’re dry. Going in to winter, roots are the crucial subject. Protect plants going in to winter by mulching, watering thoroughly before freezing temps, and not pruning in fall. Frost cloth won’t help.
Keep soil moist but not soggy; mulch; don’t prune in the fall. She thinks we are in a drought. This year, it’s advisable to water regularly and thoroughly, especially new plants, which are defined as 1 year old or less. Hand watering is ideal and preferred. Sprinkler and soaker hoses are good back-ups. Avoid wetting foliage. You can spray insects off with water if needed, but do it in the early morning. Important to learn about your plant’s root system before watering, like boxwoods – they have wide and shallow roots, so water at the drip line and beyond. With brand new trees, soak the rootball. Our winters are usually wet so don’t overwater then. Before we have a hard freeze, deeply water all plants except succulents. Succulents have a better chance during a freeze if they’re dry. It’s a protective move. It seems counterintuitive, but damp ground conducts heat, especially plants in containers because their roots are more exposed. Bubble wrap, frost cloth etc can be useful with containers. Wrap the pot all the way to ground to trap evaporative heating. Don’t let plastic touch leaves. Plastic traps too much heat if used over a plant like a greenhouse. Felt is porous and useful as cover ground. Be sure large pots are raised at least ½” off ground to leave space for water to drain before freezing.
Water plants well before turning off irrigation and draining water systems and hoses for the winter. Leave one spigot on for watering on warm winter days. Open both hose ends before freezing temps begin. Ice can damage plants that have lots of leaves in the winter, like succulents. Once a plant has ice on it, don’t touch it –it’s too brittle.
Water deeply and less frequently to encourage root growth. Priority before a freeze is to water first, mulch next.
Mulching It’s hard to mulch in the fall, but you need to in case of frost. Put more mulch on newer plants. Don’t use rubber mulch, which provides no nutrients and leeches harmful chemicals into the soil. Don’t overdo mulch unless you have a less hardy plant.
Topdressing Different from mulching; it’s more about nutrients. Worm castings are excellent for this. Manure should age at least a year before use on plants. There’s a stable in Decatur (Maybe it’s called Little Creek Farm?), a horse farm on Scott Blvd that gives away free mulch (arborists dump trees there) and manure. Don’t use steaming manure but aged. This is a slow process. Rough up surface of soil ¼” – ½” worm castings and then put mulch 2” on top. 4”-6” mulch is good to prevent weeds. Leave a small area free around crown to prevent crown rot. Shredded leaves make excellent mulch. Don’t fertilize heavily in the fall. Root stimulator is okay in the fall.
Pruning Pruning in winter is fine but highly specialized. Make cuts expose as little area as possible by cutting short, not sharp angles. GardenHood’s pruning workshop is in February. Don’t prune grass until February.
GardenHood Services Their design services range from containers to garden plans; installation; consultation; maintenance. Theirs is not mow-and-go but more horticultural maintenance. Kate Bruce is their Landscape Services Manager. Design Manager is Amy Rabb (from Planters). They can work weekly, monthly, seasonally, or yearly. They prune up to 12’.
Best mulch for a slope: dig a trench (winter is a good time), layer granite, sand or pebbles, then mulch.
Prune peonies in September. They like companion plants. What do you plant besides pansies in winter shade? Autumn, xmas, and japanese holly fern, lenten roses. Underplanting: helibores; ajuga; coral bells. Oakleaf hydrangeas are good for deep shade. Prune gardenias right after blooming in spring, and they will usually rebloom in fall. Gardenias are iron-lovers.
GardenHood has a newsletter/email list. They send out freeze/weather warnings and coupons. They also give away fresh eggs at their store.
III. Gardening Issues
Sophie Joel found and is raising 5 baby kittens whose mother died. She needs a good home for 2 of them. More info to follow. Deborah passed around an AM Leonard Horticultural Tool and Supply catalogue and recommends it highly. Conway has an over-abundance of large black-stemmed elephant ear plants, if anyone wants some.
IV. Philadelphia Flower Show Trip, March 13 – 15. It’s booked! $350 total for hotel and airfare. Contact Deborah. She can’t promise to get you the same deal, but she’ll try.
V. Plant Sales – Nov. 5 – 9, 9 – 5 -Orphan Plant Sale, Autumn Hill Nursery, 4256 Earney Rd, Woodstock, Ga.
Plant Talks – Nov. 12, 10:30 – 11:30 – Keep Your Plants Healthy During the Winter, GardenHood Nov. 12, 11 a.m. - Right Tool for the Right Job (tools & how-to’s for pruning), Autumn Hill Nursery, Woodstock Nov. 15, 7:30 p.m. – Karen Rawlins, Invasive Plants, GPPA, McElreath Hall, AHC.
VI. Upcoming Meetings: Holiday Eggnog Party at Jeannie Gillis’ home, 16 Muscogee Ave., is changed from Dec 8th to Dec 15th from 2 - 4. She is at 16 Muscogee Ave. in a townhouse, and parking is on the street. If possible, please RSVP to Jeannie at email@example.com. Jan 12 meeting at Botanical Garden and lunch at Lenten’s. Possible speakers for 2017: Dave from Sauls, Gloria Ward from Hydrangea Society. Feb 2 meeting Kim Richardson’s house at 28 Chatham.
OCTOBER 6, 2016
Janet Vogler *
* new members
I. Approval of Minutes.
II. Treasurer’s Report. Judy says we have $750 in funds.
III. Our gardening issues: Deborah gave a handout of garden to-dos for October (attached). More details can be found on Walter Reeves’ website. Also attached is info about a webinar called “Radical Perrenials” on October 27, which is $7. You can download the video and transcript and watch it later.
Judy brought up fall pruning as she recently pruned her Oakleaf Hydrangeas way back. Sophie prunes hers after they bloom. Limelight hydrangeas are sticks in the winter. Sophie has had problems with boxwood blight. She recently cut all the dead parts out and is hand watering without getting the leaves wet. Her boxwoods are doing great. Philancy prunes boxwoods with a cardboard template to get them rounded.
IV. Philancy talked about the club’s trip to the Philadelphia Flower Show Trip, March 15 – 17, 2016. Deborah asked for recs on a travel agency, but no one had one. She’s going to ask around. We need to book soon. Details on the trip and info on a group flight from Philancy is attached, but feel free to make your own airline reservations if these don’t suit. Friends outside our garden club are welcome to attend too.
V. Field trips: Lane has researched the Gibbs Gardens Tour and suggested our April meeting for the fieldtrip. Sophie suggested going when the daffodils are in bloom, in which case we’d need to be loose about the date. Attached is an itinerary for a garden tour trip to Ireland in July 2017. Other speaker and tour ideas: Judy suggested Marcia Weber of Gardens to Love. Philancy will look into this. Melissa will research boxwood expert.VI. Plant Talks – October 10, 10 – 2 - Carolyn Roehm will be at Boxwoods signing Flowers as well as her latest book At Home in the Garden.
Oct. 11, 6:30 – 8:30 – Winter Container Gardening, ABG ($24 – 29).
Oct. 18, 7:00 – GPAA – Allan Armitage will discuss unrecognized plant gems, AHC.
Oct. 18, 6:30 – 8:30 – Turning Red Clay into Topsoil, ABG ($24-29).
Oct. 19, 7pm - Douglas Tallamy, Bringing Nature Home: How You Can Sustain Wildlife with Native Plants. Atlanta History Center.
Oct. 24, 7:30 – Atl. Hydrangea Society, Elizabeth Dean of Wilkerson Mills Gardens will discuss hydrangeas.
Plant Sales –
October 9, 12:30 –4:30 – Woodlands Garden Plant Sale, 932 Scott Blvd, Decatur GA.
October 7, 14, 21, 28, 30, 10 – 2 - GA Native Plant Society (no cc’s)
October 11 – 13, 9 – 4 – Gwinnett Tech Horticulture Program Fall Plant Sale
VII. Judy Grey will host our next meeting on Thursday, November 3rd, 2 – 4 p.m. Her address is 3157 Chatham Rd. We may have a speaker from GardenHood. Remember December meeting will be an Eggnog Party on December 8, 2 – 4 at Jeannie’s home at 16 Muscogee Ave NW.
SEPTEMBER 8, 2016
I. Approval of Minutes. In attendence: Deborah Hunter, Margaret Wills (hostess), Melissa Stang, Philancy Kennedy, Joan Roach (1st meeting), Kathi Byrne, Jeannie Gillis, Conway Hubbard, Lane Murrah, Cyndae Arrendale, Courtney Downs
II. Treasurer’s Report - $750 from dues.
III. Status of our gardens (southern blight, boxwoods, scale) and discussion
Courtney: According to at Thaddeus at Pike Lindberg, UGA tested and said Daconil was only thing they’ve found that works against southern blight.
Melissa: problem with slugs in hostas – slug bait (Philancy recs); salt (Jeannie recs).
Camelia leaf gall – occurs in spring, spreads quickly: remove and dispose of affected branches.
Use ligustrum to hide Ga Power box.
Courtney loves Woody’s Nursery – great prices.
Melissa recommends Intown Wholesale Nursery – ask for Jared not Hugo – 1888 Montreal Court, Tucker, GA 30084.
Philancy recommends Frank Smith Nursery, 5000 Kristie Way, Chamblee.
Lane: Furniture Consignment Depot in Chamblee has list of movers on their website.
Winston Barran – Philancy loves and recommends. Will do anything. Jamaican. Moves things, odd jobs. Has pickup truck and lives nearby. (678) 360-8738.
Stinkbugs – has anyone noticed fewer of them this summer?
Deborah passed around her new book Weeds of North America ( Dickinson+Royer) and gave out flyer on soil testing kits (attached).
IV. Possible topics, speakers, and field trips for the coming year (everyone will follow up on their own suggestions):
Deborah: Suggested having someone to tell us what we should be doing to our yards in November. Every other month, we should have a speaker. The guy from Saul’s might talk to us about new plant varieties.
Margaret suggested Mary Palmer Dargen.
Field trip suggestions:
Lane: Gibb’s Garden’s in Ballground. Has a café.
Philancy: Hill and Dale. Cyndae knows and could arrange a tour.
Philancy suggested we travel to Philadelphia Flower Show and will research.
V. Gardening talks –
Sept. 12, 7:00 – Panayoti Kelaidis, plant explorer and gardener at Denver BG will illustrate how gardeners can create a garden paradise (free)
Sept. 20, 6:30 – 8:30 – Planning Your Fall Vegetable Garden, ABG ($24 – 29)
Sept. 20, 7:00 - GPAA at McElreath Hall, AHC, Patricia Drackett will discuss her work at the Crosby Arboretum, Miss. State U.
Oct. 11, 6:30 – 8:30 – Winter Container Gardening, ABG ($24 – 29)
Oct. 18, 7:00 – GPAA – Allan Armitage will discuss unrecognized plant gems, AHC
Oct. 18, 6:30 – 8:30 – Turning Red Clay into Topsoil, ABG ($24-29)
Oct. 19, 7pm - DOUGLAS TALLAMY, Bringing Nature Home: How You Can Sustain Wildlife with Native Plants. Atlanta History Center.
Oct. 24, 7:30 – Atl. Hydrangea Society, Elizabeth Dean of Wilkerson Mills Gardens will discuss hydrangeas
Garden Sales –
Sept. 23 & 24, 10 - 5 – Fall Native Plants Sale, Chattahoochee Nature Center
Sept. 24, 9 – 1 – Oakland Cemetery, behind Beaumont Allen Greenhouse, plants start at $1
VI. Any new business
VII. Next meeting on Thursday, Oct. 6 from 2 – 4 at Melissa’s.
Christmas gathering December 8 from 2 – 4 at Jeannie’s. She will serve homemade eggnog.
MAY 5, 2016
I. Approval of Minutes
Attending: Judy Gray; Deborah Hunter; Sophie Joel; Cyndae Arrendale; Philancy Kennedy; Lane Murrah; Jeannie Gillis; Martiele Shroder; Conway Hubbard; Ann Powers*, Kim Richardson; Kathy Byrne; Melissa Stang.
II. Speaker Rick Prewitt, The Outdoor Lights Inc (firstname.lastname@example.org).
Mr. Prewitt offered a 5% discount to anyone in our group. Their company does more than a typical lighting company; they’re designers first. They use raw material fixtures that don’t fade or chip, and they blend into their surroundings. Their standard path light is made of copper, which bronzes in 2 months and blends into the landscape. Judy Grey loves what they did at her house a few years ago. They offer architectural lighting in front (low voltage); moonlighting in back (high voltage); and accent lighting for both (low voltage). He doesn’t think LED is practical for low voltage but recommends it for high. Their uplighting is made of brass that is bronzed and treated to fade into the landscape.
He showed us a few examples of their fixtures: starlights- copper cylinders with perforated holes, which hang from a tree and give a starry effect; cue lights– small copper boxes for metal handrails; metal adjustable path lights that can be hidden in boxwoods or other shrubs; and hanging copper lanterns, which can be personalized by their a coppersmith with artwork, initials, or emblems.
Most of their lighting construction goes 6 inches deep. Most installations (2 or less acres) take 1 day. They can work with lights you own. Moonlighting uses 100 or 170 watt lights. They go up 80-100 ft into trees, and the lights usually last 5-8 years. Their tree climbers change the bulbs. Most properties use 1-2 moonlights in the back. They like to use astronomical timers that tie into the longitude/ latitude to note the local dusk and dawn times. Their timers have 24 different settings and can be programmed to go on and off at different times. They’ve had no issues with in the last 4 years. They can also be synced to indoor lights. They also do underwater or dock lights. There are 2-3k photos of their projects at www.theoutdoorlights.com. He raffled off a 44th anniversary bottle of Caymus wine (Cyndae) and a 10% discount (Melissa).
III. Dues, Timing and Number of Meetings Before Dues are Payable
Dues for membership in PHWGC will be $50 per year. You can attend up to 3 meetings for free before paying. Judy Gray is our treasurer, and checks should be written directly to her so that the club can avoid opening a checking account, filing taxes or incurring bank charges. Philancy said that some have mentioned wanting to attend meetings, but the time interferes with carpool.
IV. Design and plant maintenance of two triangles at Andrews and Cherokee.
PHW Civic Association wants us to design and maintain two triangles at Andrews and Cherokee with drought tolerant and low-maintenance plantings. They currently pay $100 a month to have it mowed. Martiele and Sophie will discuss ideas and report back at next month’s meeting.
V. Possible tour of Atlanta History Center gardens.
The Horticulture Center offered us a tour. We may do this for our June meeting.
VI. Gardening Issues.
Sarah & Harvey Hill need a garden tender for their yard (more than a blow-and-go) and asked for a recommendation. No suggestions.
Philancy told us about the Frank Smith Garden Center in Chamblee. They sell trees, shrubs, a few perennials, and no annuals, but the prices are great. They deliver for $45.
VII. Garden Sales
May 7, 21 (10 a.m. – 2 p.m.) – Ga. Native Plant Society, Ga. Perimeter College – great ferns and native azaleas (cash or check only).
May 28 – Cherokee Master Gardener Plant Sale, 1001 Univeter Rd, Canton, Ga.
VIII. Lyndy Brody Clematis Tour
May 14, between 10am – 5pm, Stockbridge GA; must be a member of GPPA ($35).
IX. GPPA Meeting
May 17, 7:30 p.m., Robin Templar Williams from Wiltshire, England. His lecture will be “Garden Design – The Secret to Achieving Successful and Beautiful Outdoor Spaces” at McElreath Hall, Atlanta History Center.
X. Our next meeting
June 2, 2016 at 2pm. Details to follow.
APRIL 7, 2016
I. Approval of Minutes
Present: Bonnie Helgett, Lane Murray, Sophie Joel, Margaret Wills, Philancy Kennedy, Kim Richardson, Jeannie Gillis, Deborah Hunter, Melissa Stang
II. Discussion of Gardening Issues
-NutraMulch- next year, we’ll order bags.
-Living fences: Nellie Stevens Holly was suggested.
-Deborah went to the Georgia Perennial plant meeting where they talked about epimediums (see attachment). Philancy attended the expensive and disappointing plant sale at the Jimmy Carter Center.
- Deborah’s rose guy gave out rose schedule (see attachment).
- The need for good blow and go crews was discussed. Margaret and Melissa need someone to weed. Sophie suggested guys behind Home Depot.
- Sophie confirmed boxwood blight in her yard. Pat Mahwinny of Prestige Tree and Shrub was recommended for fertilization and preventative care.
- Dues were discussed. Everyone is in favor/ok with this. Philancy suggested $50, and all agreed. Judy will be treasurer, and the suggestion was made to pay her directly instead of getting a business account set up.
III. Upcoming sales:
Chattahoochee Nature Center, Apr. 9 & 10 from 10-5
Ga. Native Plant Sale, GSU Perimeter College, Apr. 8 & 9, 15, 20 & 23 from 10 – 2 (cash or check only)
Friendship Center, Holy Comforter Episcopal Church, Apr 9 (10 – 2)
Oakland Cemetery Plant Sale, Apr 9 (9 – 1)
+++ Deborah recommends Azalea Chapter Annual Plant Sale, Oak Grove UMC, Decatur, Apr 9 (8 – 4)
Plantapalooza, Athens, Ga. Botanical Garden Apr 8- 9, UGA Trial Gardens, Apr 9, UGA Horticultural Society Apr 9 (8 – 2)
Ga. Native Plant Assoc. Annual Sale, Marietta, Apr 16 (10 – 2)
Cobb Master Gardener’s Sale, Marietta, Apr 22 (10 – 4)
Master Gardener’s Pass-Along Plant Sale, Bulloch Hall, Apr 30 (9 – 3)
IV. GPPA meeting, April 19 7:30, Brie Arthur, Growing a Greener World
V. Upcoming speaker Lyndy Broder – world renowned clematis expert - Clematis Garden Tour (over 300 clematises), Sat., May 14, register at the GPPA website.
VII. Next Meeting: Thursday, May 5, 2 p.m., at Sophie Joel’s house – 60 Muscogee Ave NW 30305. Judy Gray set up our speaker, Chris Wakefield, who will address outdoor lighting and design.
March 3, 2016
Meeting opened at 2:30pm by President Deborah Hunter.
The March meeting was hosted by Melissa Stang. The April meeting will be held at . The February minutes were approved, and Deborah introduced our speaker, Esther Stokes.
Deborah introduced our speaker, Esther Stokes. Esther is a landscape designer in Atlanta who is greatly involved with the urban parks movement in Atlanta. She served as the Board Chair of Park Pride, the board of the Historic Fourth Ward Park Conservancy, the board of the Piedmont Park Conservancy (15 years), and is active with the Parks Atlanta Rescue Coalition (PARC). She is also Vice-President of the Cherokee Garden Library Board.
Esther Stokes grew up in Virginia. She went to nature camp as a child and loved herpetology, birds, and wildflowers. She started her landscaping company in 1986. While serving on many park boards, she returned to her roots in the fall and took a course with the National Audubon Board. Her passion and topic is native plants.
In the U.S., native plants are defined as plants that grew here before the European settlers arrived. Many non-native plants tend to become invasive when they are introduced outside their original sites. An invasive species is a plant, fungus or animal species that is not native to a specific location (an introduced species), which tends to spread to a degree believed to cause damage to the environment, human economy or human health. People have been planting a lot of Chinese elms an autumn ferns, which are not native, and they’ve become invasive. Esther gave us a native plant quiz (see attached).
The value of using native plants is that they support local ecosystems, which have evolved with and are dependant on native plants. Many insects have evolved over the millennia to be plant-specific. Monarch butterflies face extinction because they’re dependant on milkweed. Birds need caterpillars to feed their young. Six to nine thousand caterpillars are required to grow one clutch of chickadees who need to be fed every few minutes for 18 days.
Douglas W. Tallamy, University of Delaware professor and author of Bringing Nature Home: How You Can Sustain Wildlife with Native Plants, discovered this complex relationship between native plants and their ecosystems. He warns against having “yards like lawns” and encourages people to create edges around their houses with understory trees (native dogwoods, redbuds) that contain inner rings of decorative perennials, thus cutting down on lawn space with outer edges that overlap with neighbors to create more woodland. Esther gave out his list of woody and herbaceous plants that attract butterfly and moth species (see attached). He warns against planting imports, especially trees. Blueberries have 4 seasons of interest and are native. Goldenrod supports 115 butterfly and moth species. His excellent website describes this and more at http://www.bringingnaturehome.net.
Esther recommends the book Native Plants of the Southeast: A Comprehensive Guide to the Best 460 Species for the Garden by Larry Mellichamp, biology professor at UNC Charlotte and Director of UNC Charlotte Botanical Gardens. It is a guide to native plants of greatest value in the gardens of the southeast. NYC has a native plant botanical garden that’s purported to be quite beautiful in the Bronx.
Esther’s message is that we all have a role to play in our environment.
General discussion followed.
The Chattahoochee Nature Center will hold its annual native plant sale on March 31 thru April 2, 2016.
Great trees for our area are sourgum, chalk maple, and blackgum. Sophie Joel uses vinegar to kill weeds. Deborah gave a seed update and showed pics of the seed trays she got from Gardeners Supply, called Fast Start Seedstarter, which has a wicking tray that you only have to water occasionally. She’s germinating rainbow chrysanthemum, coreopsis, joe pye weed, burpee’s flower mix, and more. Deb wants to get NutraMulch from Green Brothers that her rose guy uses. Boy did she get some. Gone now.
The Georgia Perennial Plant Society had an exciting speaker last month, NYC Highline gardener Patrick Cullina, ut the meeting was not well-publicised. Their GPPA’s website is http://georgiaperennial.org.
Sophie Joel spoke about the boxwood blight in Atlanta. Rick the pruning guru took some bagged specimens from her yard to test. The blight affects pachysandra too, which manifests with little purple dots. Yard crews can spread the disease with infected shears. You can clean pruners with spray Lysol.
The subject of paying speakers by collecting dues was raised and discussed.
February 4, 2016
The February meeting was held at the Atlanta History Center’s Keenan Library. Our next meeting is on Thursday, March 3rd, at 2pm at Melissa Stang’s house, 2948 Habersham Way. Esther Stokes will speak to us about native plants.
The February meeting was a private tour of the Cherokee Garden Library, led by the Library Director, Staci Catron. Ms. Catron began with an overview of the CGL collection. The library houses over 30,000 books, photographs, manuscripts, seed catalogs, and landscape drawings. The collection is a record of American horticulture and botanical history in the South and the only library dedicated to southern gardening. Ann Carr and the Cherokee Garden Clubstarted it 41 years ago. Ms. Catron displayed several photographs and important books from the collection. The first was a photo of Ann Carr and Lady Bird Johnson, who donated 6 volumes called Wildflowers of the United States to the library. Next, we saw a book published in 1664 called Sylva, or A Discourse of Forest-Trees and the Propagation of Timber in His Majesty's Dominions, by John Evelyn. It is recognized as one of the most influential texts on forestry ever published. It is also the earliest treatise on deforestation and urged the King stop cutting down so many trees to build warships. As are many in the collection, the Callaway family donated Evelyn’s book.
We viewed a work published in 1737 called The Gardener’s Dictionary, by Phillip Miller. Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin and other founding fathers owned copies of this popular and influential English book. Catron explained that the founding fathers’ military personalities were reflected in their gardening styles: Washington was a conformist who followed the book and was always successful, and Jefferson was a maverick who liked to experiment. Both were enormously interested in horticulture and agriculture. She showed us Bartram's Travels, published in 1791, written by naturalist William Bartram describing the four years he spent traveling in the American South and his encounters with American Indians. Other notable books she showed us include Every Man His Own Gardener (1776 by Mowe and Abercrombie) and A new herbal, or, Historie of plants : wherein is contained the whole discourse and perfect description of all sorts of herbes and plants, their diuers and sundry kinds, their names, natures, operations, and vertues : and that not onely of those which are here growing in this our country of Engalnd [sic], but of all others also of forraine realmes commonly used in physicke. We examined a pastel drawing and a pencil sketch of the Kendall family plantation, Bellwood, and its gardens, which were done by young Loula Kendall Rogers in 1850. Bellwood was located in Upson County, Georgia, near Thomaston, and was destroyed by fire in the late 1800’s. Rogers was the only child of a local doctor and his wife. A prolific poet and writer, Rogers graduated from Wesleyan Female College in Macon, Georgia in 1857. AHC’s Collection also includes a daguerreotype, a photographic print and negative of Loula Kendall Rogers at age nine, an undated photographic print of her at an older age, and a photographic reproduction of a 1850 daguerreotype of the plantation. A photo of Rogers’ pastel can be seen here http://gardenhistorygirl.blogspot.com/2010/02/updates-on-bellwood-hall-upson-county.html. The Loula Kendall Rogers Visual Art Collection is unique because it represents one of the few records available on local 19th century southern gardening, small plantations and local history. While speaking of small 19th century plantations in Georgia, Ms. Catron mentioned that local landscape architect Ed Daugherty was instrumental in recording vital details of that era. Dougherty knew Tullie Smith, and before her family home was relocated to AHC, he went there to measure and record details of the farm and its environs for historical accuracy. The house has been restored and is operated by the Atlanta History Center as a 19th-century historic house museum known as the Smith Family Farm. After surviving the Civil War, it is a unique and well-preserved example of antebellum plantations built near Atlanta. Ms. Catron showed us The ladies' flower-garden of ornamental annuals (1842) by Jane Wells Webb Loudon (1807-1858), which contains spectacular color prints of flowers and plants. Loudon was an English author and botanist who wrote about ladies gardening. She created the first popular gardening manuals, as opposed to specialist horticultural works, and wrote for ladies of the planter class. Her husband, Scottish born John Claudius Loudon, was a prolific horticultural and landscape design writer who urged ideals of outdoor common spaces and city planning. He died at age 40, leaving little money. Jane Loudon supported herself and their 10 year-old daughter with popular garden writing and illustrated works. She was immensely popular in England and the United States and was one of the first to write books specifically for women on the subject of gardening. She advertised in the back of English periodicals and books. Women who lived in southern port towns like Charleston and Savannah found her works this way and ordered them from overseas. Ms. Catron has a special interest in Loudon and hopes to write a book about her one day. She also showed us a few items from the AHC’s vast collection of old southern postcards and seed catalogues. We saw examples from Hastings’ as well as specialized flower society catalogues, which are used today for research. One of the final things we saw was Phillip Schutze’s original 1926 drawing for Mr. and Mrs. E. H. Inman of the Swan House. After winning the Roman Prize, Schutze studied in Italy, which is reflected in many of his commissions. Ms. Catron elaborated on the Christian symbolism Schutze used in the Swan House, like the quatrefoil fountain that represents Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Schutze built houses on a human scale, she said, and left mature landscaping in his projects so that his houses wouldn’t look new. He was known for masterfully managing proportion and scale. On our way out, Catron pointed out the Library’s massive 1893 map of Fulton County that hangs in the Cherokee section. Compiled from notes, plats, surveys, state and county records, the map was made during a time when aristocratic families were moving to Buckhead.
November 5, 2015
The November Meeting was held at the Barn, a 1940’s quonset hut located at Chastain Park, 4001 Powers Ferry Road NW, Atlanta, Georgia 30342. The meeting was opened at 2:00 by President Deborah Hunter. The minutes of our October meeting were approved. We were warmly welcomed by Ray Mock, Director of Operations of Chastain Park Conservancy.
We had two guest speakers at the November meeting. The first was Rosa McHugh, Executive Director of the Chastain Park Conservancy. Rosa provided our group with an informative history of the Chastain Park Conservancy and a description of its many ongoing projects.
The Conservancy is a nonprofit organization created 11 years ago. Its mission is to restore, enhance, maintain and preserve Chastain Park. It serves as a liaison between volunteer groups, neighborhood leaders, professional consultants and Atlanta city government leaders sharing a common goal: restoring Chastain Park to its world-class heritage.The Park consists of 268 acres with 11 businesses located within the park, including the Galloway School, the Chastain Amphitheater, Pool, Horse Park, Arts Center and the North Fulton Golf Course. Its 2014 operating budget exceeded $340,000. It is estimated that 2 million people use Chasten Park every year.
Many of the members attending the meeting were amazed at the variety of projects underway at Chastain Park. One such project is the extension of the path encircling the Park. The path was paved and is maintained by the PATH Foundation, and is one of the most popular running and walking trails in Atlanta. The path is presently 4 feet wide and will be expanded to 12 feet wide.
For the past 2 years, the Conservancy has operated a Farm to Table Program. The urban farm, with raised planting beds, has been created on land adjacent to the quonset hut. The farm is used for teaching and growing food to donate to Good Samaritans in Atlanta. Our group was given a tour of the farm by Ray Mock.
In addition, the Chastain Park playground is receiving a complete renovation. 85,000 children live within a 5 mile radius of the Park. The newly designed playground has been designed with equipment from The Natural Playground, and will include embankment slides, an outdoor piano (donated), pavilions and a restroom.
Our second speaker was Judy Peacock, who spoke about the Master Gardener Extension Volunteer Program. The Program is operated through county offices of the University of Georgia Cooperative Extension. Through this program, individuals are trained in horticulture and related areas. These individuals volunteer their expertise, under the direction of Cooperative Extension staff, to help educate others through horticultural programs and projects that benefit the community.
Judy completed the Master Gardener Program and is a member of the North Fulton Master Gardeners. Judy advised us of the general requirements of the Master Gardener Program, which include an application and interview. Once accepted, candidates must attend classes approximately once a week for 9 weeks, take unit tests and a final exam at the conclusion of the classes. Although Central Fulton Master Gardeners is also an option for residents of our neighborhood, Judy recommends the North Fulton Master Gardeners as they maintain a number of gardens in a variety of locations, including Chastain Farm, Bulloch Hall and Smith Plantation in Sandy Springs. Members must complete 50 volunteer hours the first year and 25 hours a year thereafter. The number for information regarding master gardener classes is: 404-613-7670.
At the conclusion of the meeting, Deborah reminded everyone of the Georgia Perennial Plant Association meeting on November 17 at the History Center at 7:00 pm.
On December 10th at 2pm, we will have our gardening club holiday tea at Deborah’s house. Deborah is preparing holiday treats!
There being no other business, the meeting was adjourned.
Submitted by Kim Berman, Acting Secretary
October 1, 2015
Meeting opened at 2:30pm by President Deborah Hunter.
Introductions Courtney Downs hosted the October meeting. Introductions were made, and we had 3 new members(*).
During introductions, Jeannie asked about yellow leaves on her schefflera plant, and Sophie suggested that overwatering could be the cause. Rose asked about how to control magnolia tree growth and their sprouts. Rosie suggested calling Arborguard (expensive but the best, she said), and that Marcia Weber Gardens to Love will provide a horticulturistto help you with your yard for $500 a day. Courtney recommended Chris Hastings at Arbormedics. Judy Gray recommended Jonathan Busssell, a landscape architect she is using, if you need one. Sophie Joel spoke about turning Sibley Park into a dog park.
Guest Speaker Our guest speaker was Rosie Davidson, a Master Gardener and Dogwood District Director for the Garden Club of Georgia. Rosie came to Atlanta with her husband over 20 years ago after working as a buyer for Harrods and Marks and Spencer. She answered questions and spoke on several topics including plant recommendations, the Chastain Park Conservancy, the Garden Club of Georgia, and dues.
Rosie’s Plant Recommendations for Atlanta and Advice Think about a color scheme when you plan your garden. Put plants in the right place according to their needs (read the plant tags) and where they are pleasing to you, and if they don’t thrive, move them. Just because something is labeled as a dwarf doesn’t mean it won’t get huge, like the mini version of Joe Pye Weed. Amend soil with CLM granules. Saul’s has a good garden mix, and she recommends amending it with chicken or cow manure. Worm castings are an excellent top dressing. Rosie doesn’t fertilize anything because her soil is rich from all the amendments. She also doesn’t use root fertilizer. Boxwoods that do well in Atlanta: buxus harlandii (stays round, does well in a pot), Japanese boxwood (Home Depot), and Grace Hendricks Phillips (expensive but worth it, and great as a hedge). Most hydrangeas like some sun, and some will even take full sun. She moved her mostly white Margaret to get more, which suited it. Don’t cut into old wood, but do cut back dry cane at the bottom of hydrangeas anytime. Annabelle especially likes to be cut back. The best way to propagate hydrangeas is to layer them because roots will come out of the stems. Cut flower heads off in January. When hydrangeas droop in the heat, don’t water them; they’re just protecting themselves, but do water hydrangeas in pots. Take gifted hydrangeas and plant them in the yard. Lavender varieties that grow well here include Provence, a new one called Phenomenon, and Spanish lavender. English lavender, like most English plants, doesn’t do well here. Miss Kim Lilac is the only lilac that grows in the South, and black and blue salvia thrives here. Plants that attract butterflies and pollinators: Joe Pye weed, milkweed, verbena bonariensis, and dwarf butterfly bush. Colors (not blue) attract them. She gave away several plants that do well in our area:
-Veronica Speedwell Georgia Blue, a great weed-suppressing groundcover with small blue flowers that appear sporadically throughout the year. Low growing perennial that will take the hot sun. Great on slopes. -Shasta daisy “Becky”, a popular perennial with large, white, single blooms that are attractive to butterflies. Grows tall, reblooms if you deadhead it, and comes back if you prune it.
-Made in America phlox.
Miscellaneous tips: Coral belles are great with hostas. Big fleshy-leafed plants need to be brought in for the winter. Violas are better than pansies for under planting. The herb Angelica will grow in the shade in early summer, and lemongrass does well here.
The Chastain Park Conservancy (CPC) Rosie is on the board of CPC. The Conservancy is a volunteer, not-for-profit organization dedicated to stewardship and renewal of Chastain Park's natural and developed resources. They operate Farm Chastain, an urban learning environment, which serves as an oudoor classroom to promote environmental literacy. They grow artichokes and peanuts, among other things, and provide a home to one goat. Their three honeybee hives are maintained by the Metro Atlanta Beekeepers Association. CPC offers hands-on training and environmental education classes to residents and local schools, and their speaker series includes “how-to” gardening seminars throughout the year. Their volunteer program provides over 12,000 hours annually to keep the park clean, safe and green.
The Garden Club of Georgia (GCG) Rosie is the director of the Dogwood district of the Garden Club of Georgia. The GCG has 7 geographical districts made up of almost 400 local garden clubs, and is affiliated with National Garden Clubs, Inc. They are an all-volunteer organization headquartered on the grounds of the State Botanical Garden in Athens and provide scholarship programs, awards, grants, tours, lectures, conservation advocacy, artistic floral design classes, youth activities, school grounds improvements, and a Garden Therapy Program for disabled residents at state institutions. They finance these benefits through garden club dues, speakers and fundraisers like their annual bulb sale. Rosie encouraged our PHW Garden Club to join the Dogwood District of GCG as a group. Membership would provide us with organizational assistance for our club, access to speakers ($50 per speaker), and eligibility to apply for civic improvement grants. She suggested that PHW Garden Club charge at least $50 a year in dues per member, out of which$5 per member would go towards the group’s membership in the Dogwood District of GCG, and the remainder could be used for civic improvement and speakers. She mentioned that we should contact Linda Cline at the speaker’s bureau of the Georgia Master Gardener Association for access to free speakers for our group. Rosie’s home garden was featured on HGTV, and fellow PHW Garden Club member Angela West did the photos. You can see her structured gardens here: http://www.hgtvgardens.com/gardens/a-touch-of-england-in-atlanta
End Notes Deborah mentioned that Oakland Cemetery will allow you to take cuttings. Martiele suggested that Esther Stokes can talk to us about texture in the garden and suggested maybe having her come in January or February. Cherokee Garden Library at the History Center keeps garden club scrapbooks and garden club books dating back to 1500. Martiele suggested a field trip to Wilkerson Mills, and Sophie suggested going to Serenbe afterwards.
Dates Our next meeting will be on Thursday, November 5, from 2-4 at the Barn at Chastain. Our speaker will be Rosa McHugh, Executive Director of the Chastain Park Conservancy. Deborah suggests carpooling. If you would like to drive, let her know, and we can arrange carpools. On December 10th at 2pm, we will have our gardening club holiday tea at Deborah’s house.
There being no other business, the meeting was adjourned.
Submitted by Melissa Stang, Secretary.
Meeting opened at 2:30pm by President Deborah Hunter.
The August meeting was hosted by Philancy Kennedy. The September meeting will be a field trip (details at end of minutes). The July minutes were approved, and introductions were made. We had 3 new members(*).
Drip versus spray irrigation was discussed - Philancy just switched from the latter to the former – and spray irrigation was slightly favored as more reliable. This led to a discussion of water meters in Atlanta.
Since residential sewage rates in Fulton county are based on a home’s water bill, installing a separate meter for landscape irrigation can significantly reduce monthly water charges. However, second meters are expensive, and several estimated the cost to be between $1800-$2400.
Tree removal permits in Fulton county
The difficulty in securing approval for tree removal was discussed. Neighbors report fines of several thousand dollars for clearing trees without city approval. Lane Murrah recommends calling different city arborists until you find one who is sympathetic. She will look for names of people in that office who have been helpful to her in the past.
Moles, voles, snakes and goats
A general discussion about wildlife pests led to several recommendations. Lane says that she has had luck with the Melnor flat soaker hose because the animals in her yard don’t chew it up. It is available in 25’, 50’ & 75’ lengths and can be purchased at http://www.amazon.com/MELNOR-Flat-Soaker-Hose-75-Feet/dp/B00C1TDFE6/ref=pd_sbs_86_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=1QZG3PGP7XFJH5S4YB
New member Sophie Joel has a small landscape and floral design business. She said that burying old gutter guards or screens with narrow openings will discourage moles and voles in the yard, especially around camellias. Philancy has had success using a spring-loaded mole trap, and Home Depot has several models.
After a short discussion about the local abundance of copperheads, Sophie reminded that clearing ivy from a yard will discourage snakes and suggested that goats are a quick and effective way to eradicate heavy ground cover. Several groups in Atlanta provide this service.
One such company is Get Your Goat Rentals (http://www.getyourgoatrentals.com). Michael Swanson (404.981.8585) quoted the following: $200/day for a herd of 20+ goats. They stay on the property 24/7. Each goat can eat up to 10 lbs of green per day. There is also a one-time set up / take down fee of $250 for fencing, site work and transportation.
Martiele said that chipmunks love hostas, and although PERMATIL slate gravel won’t discourage them, it will repel pine voles. If something eats your hostas but leaves any roots intact along with a leaf or two, dig it up, and put it in a glass of water until more roots appear.
Martiele passed around a pruning book that she strongly recommends called the Step-By-Step Guide to Pruning (spiral-bound) by Christopher D. Brickell. (Simon and Schuster, September 1979, isbn 0671248316). Here is a link to several used copies for sale:
Martiele offered to pick up a large order of the slate gravel (Permatil) she recommends to discourage garden pests. If members place an order together, she will buy them the next time she goes to Saul’s (wholesale landscaping supply), and the bags may be picked up at her house.
BTW, attached is a list of local retail outlets that carry Permatil, worm castings and other Mr. Natural products.
Deborah gave out information on getting soil tested through the Fulton county extension office. This requires a bagged mixture of 1.5 cups of soil samples delivered to their office (by mail or in person) and a money order or cashier’s check for $8 made out to Fulton County 4H.
Deborah subsequently sent out an email with more info on this, including a link about how to take soil samples (see http://aesl.ces.uga.edu/soiltest123/Georgia.htm). Her email included the address and hours of the office:
UGA Extension – Fulton County
North Fulton Service Center
7741 Roswell Rd. NE, Room 248
Atlanta, GA 30350
Hours of operation:
8:00 AM to 5:00 PM, Monday - Friday.
Monday - Thursday - Closed for lunch from 12:00PM -1PM
Fridays - Closed 11:15AM - 1:30PM
PHW hardiness zone and a gardening blog
We discussed whether Atlanta is zone 7b or 8a on the USDA plant hardiness zone map. Deborah and Philancy recommend the gardening blog Louis The Plant Geek at www.louistheplantgeek.com.
Deborah ordered some catalogues for us from Gardener’s Supply Co, and they should be here before our next meeting. She has ordered a jagged “super shovel” from them to cut sod and will report on it after using. She recommends their pound-in-ledging to control soil runoff, especially around a driveway.
Deborah has used Ryan Tiley - “the rose guy” – off and on for years and gave out 2 pages of his tips on rose care (attached). He charges about $200 a month to give substantial help in a rose garden. He will go month-to-month.
In order to maintain a running list of members’ recommendations, Melissa is compiling a list in Google Share, and will email the link when complete.
September meeting and field trip
A field trip to the nursery “Goodness Grows” and Ryan Gainey’s garden was discussed. It was unanimous that we would do this for the September meeting, and various dates were suggested to avoid the Labor Day calendar and coincide with fall planting. Deborah is polling members to see if Wednesday, September 16 will work. Members will bring a boxed lunch, and we will carpool. Anyone with a truck who is willing to drive should let Deborah know. Lexington, Georgia is an hour and a half from Atlanta, so we will leave in the morning and return after lunch. If you have a special request for the nursery, let Deborah know well in advance, and she will contact the nursery owner to have what you want in stock. Details to follow.
Handouts from Deborah
Member list (attached); Soil testing info, with address, tel# + details (attached); Tips on rose care from Rose Gardens by Ryan (attached); Brent and Becky’s Bulb Catalogue
September meeting and field trip
Tentatively set for Wednesday, September 16, at Goodness Grows and Ryan Gainey’s garden in Lexington, Georgia.
The next home meeting will take place on Thursday, October 1st at 2pm at Courtney Downs’ home. The address is 3220 Habersham.
December meeting and Christmas cookies
We will gather at Deborah’s house on Thursday, December 10 for Christmas cookies and our last meeting of the year.
There being no other business, the meeting was adjourned Submitted by Melissa Stang, Secretary. July 9, 2015
Meeting opened at 2:30pm by President Deborah Hunter.
The July meeting was hosted by Margaret Wills. Our next meeting is on Thursday, August 6, at 2pm at Philancy Kennedy’s house, 3160 West Andrews. The June minutes were approved, and introductions were made. We had 5 new members*.
Field trips and speakers
Deborah has been looking into speakers for our group. She handed out a list of possible topics that a speaker from the Cooperative Extension Service could address (list is attached). Trees Atlanta was also mentioned. Martiele Schroder suggested her friend who is an expert on peonies. Jeannie Gillis added that wood ashes are an excellent fertilizer for peonies.
Deborah distributed the lecture calendar of the Georgia Perennial Plant Association (list attached). Their monthly meetings are held on Tuesdays in McElreath Hall at the Atlanta History Center. Anyone may join the association for $35 per year.
Deborah also passed around a Goodness Grows catalogue. We discussed a field trip there and to Ryan Gainey’s nearby gardens. The owner of GG told her that with an advanced request, he could stock particular plants for our visit. Deborah pointed out that a field trip there for our September 3 meeting would coincide with fall planting time, and the group was enthusiastic.
Handout of garden books and other lists
Deborah gave everyone a typed list of the garden books in her library and graciously offered them on loan. That list is attached. She also gave everyone an Old House Gardens catalogue, andshe has extras if anyone not in attendance wants one.
Topics of discussion – crime and composting
Compost on Wheels is an option for recycling scraps and earning compost. The group gives you a bin for composting materials and picks your waste up weekly or monthly (fee dependant). After a specified time, you can request up to 75 lbs of compost a year. Their website is www.compostwheels.com.
A discussion ensued about the recent crime in our area. Around 7:30 am on a Monday (June29?), 2 black males in a car approached a woman outside her home on W Andrews and Austell. The men drove up behind her and made comments that made her feel threatened. They drove a gold Mercury Marquis sedan, a car that has been reported in connection with other incidents. The woman called 911, and member Lane Murrah reported the license number to local security. Lane has not received any updates. New member Courtney Downs is in charge of emailing security info to PHWCA members.
Advice to share and recommendations
Pruning: Terry May. Terry was with the Atlanta Botanical Gardens before Horticulture Inc. If hired to hand prune a garden, he will gladly teach the client how to hand prune at the same time. email@example.com or (404)794-5451. Martiele recommends.
Arborist: Chris Hastings of Arbormedics. (770)715-1713. Several members recommend.
Best tree and shrub book: Dirr’s Encyclopedia of Trees and Shrubs. http://www.amazon.com/Dirrs-Encyclopedia-Trees-Shrubs-Michael/dp/0881929018 Lane Murrah recommends.
Yard work help: Sefik Berbic (pronounced Chef ‘-ic). A Bosnian man whom Martiele has used for years, Sefik will do planting, transplanting and general gardening tasks. He charges $25 per hour. His number is (678) 699-9170. Call Martiele for an introduction at (404) 405-3869(cell) or (404) 237-0004 (home).
Pinestraw: Pinestraw Depot. (404) 794-4404. Speak with Merideth. $25 fee plus cost of pinestraw. They use longleaf pine needles. Martiele recommends.
Window cleaning service: Karsten Licht (404) 735-0228. Mennonite man who comes to Atlanta twice a year. Judy Gray recommends.
Outdoor lighting: Chris Wakefield, president of Outdoor Lights Inc. Content info at http://www.theoutdoorlights.com/contact_us.asp . Judy Gray recommends.
Soil and plants: Saul’s Nursery – wholesale only. Contact Martiele at (404) 405-3869 (cell) or (404) 237-0004 (home) if you want to go, as she has a wholesale account and can get in. She uses their worm castings as a soil amendment, and recommends their slate pieces to put under hostas, as well as their Complete Landscaping and Woodland Soil Mixes. She also says that if you plant in red clay, mix it in a container with equal amounts of Nature’s Helper, and replacing clay with the mix. She also has a copy of Saul’s wholesale catalogue with prices.
Hydrangeas: Wilkerson Mills Gardens in Palmetto. www.hydrangea.com. Martiele recommends.
Garden tours: Joy Garden Tour of Cashiers, NC. Held every other year in mid-July. Tickets are hard to get if you’re not on their list at www.villagegreencashiersnc.com/events/jgt-mailing-list.php. Lane Murrah recommends.
There being no other business, the meeting was adjourned.
Submitted by Melissa Stang, Secretary.
June 4, 2015
Meeting opened at 2:30pm by hostess Deborah Hunter.
Deborah Hunter organized, hosted and set the agenda for the first meeting. Everyone introduced herself to the group, and we discussed officers. We voted that Deborah Hunter will be president, Philancy Kennedy will be Vice President, and Melissa Stang , Secretary.
Meeting day, time, details
It was decided that meetings would be held every first Thursday a month at 2pm, except for the second meeting, which will be held on July 9 at 2pm to avoid a conflict with July 4. The meeting location will rotate between members’ homes in order to see everyone’s gardens. Drinks but no food will be served so that hostesses do not feel burdened.
Margaret Wills may host our July meeting. Cyndae Arrendale may host our September meeting.
Suggested activities of the club:
Visit members’ gardens
Plan visits to local gardens (Atlanta Botanical, Fernbank for roses, Barnsely)
Plan nursery trips. Some suggestions include Goodness Grows and Picadilly Farmsin Lexington; Gardenhood; Maple Ridge Nursery; Scottsdale Farms in Alpharetta; Wilkerson Mill in Palmetto GA (for hydrangeas); and Saul’s in Atlanta (Martielle has a member discount).
Plan seasonal trips to flower sales. Some suggestions are Plantapaloosa in early April (Athens); the State Botanical Gardens sale the night before (Athens); the Chattahoochee Nature Center native plant sales in the fall and spring (Roswell); and the biannual Georgia Native Plant Society sales, which offer a large fern selection (Perimeter College).
Share and swap plants.
Share and swap books, magazines, catalogs, blogs, and esales. Deborah recommended the following blogs: A Way to Garden, Carolyn’s Shade Garden, and Dave’s Garden.
Share gardening advice.
Garden advice discussed:
Martiele Schroder is an expert in trees and shrubs. She said that if you want to discourage pests around hostas, mix slate granules into the soil and under the plants. You can find them at Saul’s. She also says that worm castings will enrich plant soil. To get rid of invasive plants and vines like privet hedge, cut the plant back to the ground. Treat fresh, new growth with Brush-B-Gone.
Garden workers suggested:
Tree cutters: Davey Tree, Gunnison Trees, ArborMedics.
Hand pruner: Terry May (contact Martiele Schroder firstname.lastname@example.org)
Sefick Berbic: Bosnian man who performs specific gardening tasks (contact Martiele Schroder email@example.com).
Blow and Go: Bello Landscaping. Works for Melissa, Margaret and several neighbors on Habersham Way. Contact Jesus at (404) 992-8935.
Outdoor lighting: Judy Gray recommends the Outdoor Lights Company.